Thoughts on Hilomilo's post:
Latias up to S: Strongly Agree:
In my opinion the most consistent, and best scarfer. With an amazing Speed tier at 110 Latias is able to outspeed most viable scarfers. With powerful STAB attacks, access to Defog, Healing Wish, Trick, and Bolt Beam, it deals with so much in the current meta. Calm Mind Dragonium/Elelectrium Z is unbelievably strong, Latias has amazing bulk which makes it very difficult for it to be revenge killed by scarfers like Infernape, Hydreigon, and Latias, as well as Mega Manectric and Mega Aerodactyl. Specs Latias, a set brought back to life courtesy of Accelgor, is also extremely powerful and allows Latias to be a breaker because scarf doesn't have the necessary power. Over all I think Latias defines the current meta, with the ability to stomache attacks from Breloom, Azumarill, and Gliscor and deal massive damage in return it is the perfect choice for bulky offense, balance, and hyper offense teams to act as a revenge killer, sweeper, or breaker.
Mega Sceptile down to B: Disagree:
While Mega Sceptile isn't a super important part of the meta it shouldn't be discounted. Lately a stall breaker set for Mega Sceptile adapted by Sage of the 6 on Creative and Underrated sets, originally created by someone, I'm not sure who, is very good against stall teams in general because of the advantage Grass types have against the Quagsire and Alomomola stall cores.
Although it has seen low usage it is in my opinion that its viability has not decreased and that it has stayed a consistent offensive threat in the meta game.
Metagross down to C+: Agree:
Metagross really isn't an overwhelming Pokemon as offensive utility, Assault Vest user, or even Agility sweeper. Alolan Muk outclasses it as a switch in to Latias and can also switch in to Ghost-types like Gengar and Chandelure while Metagross can't. Metagross also can't switch in on or take attacks from Hydreigon and other Dark-types while Alolan Muk can while both are weak to Ground-types. With no access to Attack boosting moves, Meteor Mash excluded, Metagross doesn't have much opportunity for sweeping. Scizor is much better as a Bullet Punch user while also using U Turn for momentum. Even as a Stealth Rock setter with Shuca Berry Metagross is outclassed by Cobalion because it has no breaking potential after rocks are set.
Chandelure up to B+: Agree
Although Chandelure isn't the best Speed control it is an insanely powerful breaker. With Scizor and Breloom being massive threats, and having amazing offensive typing, Chandelure is more powerful than ever. Chandelure makes a name for itself by having very little switch ins, even Dragon-types like Hydreigon and Latias take a lot of damage from Choice Specs Fire Blast.
Other fun and powerful Chandelure sets include Substitute + Calm Mind, and Ghostium Z. Both of these pressure all team types, Substitute + Calm Mind breaks through stall by Chandelure being completely immune to Blissey's attacks, while Ghostium Z allows Chandelure to unleash a powerful nuke against any wall.
Mega Aggron up to A: Strongly Agree:
We live in a Mega Aggron world. Whether it's stall, balance, or bulky offense this Pokemon is strong. It is able to eat so many attacks with Filter and it's all around defensive stats allow it to wall so much of the meta. Backed by wish pass and support from other Pokemon Mega Aggrons power is untamed. I think it is up to snuff with the rest of the Pokemon in A because of its versatility. Mega Aggron does have recovery in Rest which allows it to be self sufficient as a Rest + Talk + Curse sweeper. I think its usage speaks for itself and that it deserves a rise because of its influence on the meta and general strength.
Mega Houndoom up to A-: Disagree:
I never saw much good in Mega Houndoom since its drop and Drought was banned. I completely agree with Hilomilo, too much in the meta game pressures Mega Houndoom for it to be worth of A-. B+ is good enough for it or maybe even too good. With low defensive stats it is hard for it to Nasty Plot or Flame Charge and even then it is pressured by the strong priority users in the tier (Azu, Loom, Sciz). To make it good on a team it has to be strictly built around and all of its threats have to have solid checks making it a struggle. I think it should stay where it is or maybe move down because it is an underwhelming threat.
Now for a nomination of my own:
Mega Abomasnow up to B- (I Disagree With It Dropping)
First off, B- rank is meant for Pokemon that aren't extremely viable but have versatility and a niche that makes them unique from others. I believe Mega Abomasnow fits these categories. I recognize it is very weak to threats like Mega Aggron, Breloom, Scizor, and Chandelure, but those mons already threaten so much, and Mega Abomasnow has so much untapped power.
Shout out to sparrow for giving me this set. Not many people know this but Mega Abomasnow is a terrifying stall breaker because it can Focus Punch Blissey on the switch doing massive damage even while uninvested. Being a Grass-type it beats Alomomola, Azumarill and Quagsire, as well as being an Ice-type in a meta where Mamoswine is banned, it puts pressure on Dragon-types and walls like Hippowdon, Swampert, and Gliscor. Hidden Power Fire is an easy way to lure in Scizor, although be weary of a possible banded Bullet Punch coming your way!
This set performs just as well versus stall and other team types while also having priority for threats like Hydreigon, Mega Aerodactyl, and Latias. Pretty much serves the same purpose as the set above.
I always encourage the use of underrated Pokemon and believe Mega Abomasnow is deserving of B-. Again being an Ice-type in a meta where there are few, having mixed offensive stats, priority, and bulk make it a viable offensive threat.
Any comments are appreciated! Bye now :)
Latias up to S: Strongly Agree:
In my opinion the most consistent, and best scarfer. With an amazing Speed tier at 110 Latias is able to outspeed most viable scarfers. With powerful STAB attacks, access to Defog, Healing Wish, Trick, and Bolt Beam, it deals with so much in the current meta. Calm Mind Dragonium/Elelectrium Z is unbelievably strong, Latias has amazing bulk which makes it very difficult for it to be revenge killed by scarfers like Infernape, Hydreigon, and Latias, as well as Mega Manectric and Mega Aerodactyl. Specs Latias, a set brought back to life courtesy of Accelgor, is also extremely powerful and allows Latias to be a breaker because scarf doesn't have the necessary power. Over all I think Latias defines the current meta, with the ability to stomache attacks from Breloom, Azumarill, and Gliscor and deal massive damage in return it is the perfect choice for bulky offense, balance, and hyper offense teams to act as a revenge killer, sweeper, or breaker.
Mega Sceptile down to B: Disagree:
While Mega Sceptile isn't a super important part of the meta it shouldn't be discounted. Lately a stall breaker set for Mega Sceptile adapted by Sage of the 6 on Creative and Underrated sets, originally created by someone, I'm not sure who, is very good against stall teams in general because of the advantage Grass types have against the Quagsire and Alomomola stall cores.
Sceptile-Mega @ Sceptilite
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Leaf Blade
- Iron Tail
- Earthquake
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Leaf Blade
- Iron Tail
- Earthquake
Although it has seen low usage it is in my opinion that its viability has not decreased and that it has stayed a consistent offensive threat in the meta game.
Metagross down to C+: Agree:
Metagross really isn't an overwhelming Pokemon as offensive utility, Assault Vest user, or even Agility sweeper. Alolan Muk outclasses it as a switch in to Latias and can also switch in to Ghost-types like Gengar and Chandelure while Metagross can't. Metagross also can't switch in on or take attacks from Hydreigon and other Dark-types while Alolan Muk can while both are weak to Ground-types. With no access to Attack boosting moves, Meteor Mash excluded, Metagross doesn't have much opportunity for sweeping. Scizor is much better as a Bullet Punch user while also using U Turn for momentum. Even as a Stealth Rock setter with Shuca Berry Metagross is outclassed by Cobalion because it has no breaking potential after rocks are set.
Chandelure up to B+: Agree
Although Chandelure isn't the best Speed control it is an insanely powerful breaker. With Scizor and Breloom being massive threats, and having amazing offensive typing, Chandelure is more powerful than ever. Chandelure makes a name for itself by having very little switch ins, even Dragon-types like Hydreigon and Latias take a lot of damage from Choice Specs Fire Blast.
252 SpA Choice Specs Chandelure Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 116-137 (38.4 - 45.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Chandelure Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Hydreigon: 159-187 (48.9 - 57.5%) -- 95.7% chance to 2HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Chandelure Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Hydreigon: 159-187 (48.9 - 57.5%) -- 95.7% chance to 2HKO
Other fun and powerful Chandelure sets include Substitute + Calm Mind, and Ghostium Z. Both of these pressure all team types, Substitute + Calm Mind breaks through stall by Chandelure being completely immune to Blissey's attacks, while Ghostium Z allows Chandelure to unleash a powerful nuke against any wall.
Mega Aggron up to A: Strongly Agree:
We live in a Mega Aggron world. Whether it's stall, balance, or bulky offense this Pokemon is strong. It is able to eat so many attacks with Filter and it's all around defensive stats allow it to wall so much of the meta. Backed by wish pass and support from other Pokemon Mega Aggrons power is untamed. I think it is up to snuff with the rest of the Pokemon in A because of its versatility. Mega Aggron does have recovery in Rest which allows it to be self sufficient as a Rest + Talk + Curse sweeper. I think its usage speaks for itself and that it deserves a rise because of its influence on the meta and general strength.
Mega Houndoom up to A-: Disagree:
I never saw much good in Mega Houndoom since its drop and Drought was banned. I completely agree with Hilomilo, too much in the meta game pressures Mega Houndoom for it to be worth of A-. B+ is good enough for it or maybe even too good. With low defensive stats it is hard for it to Nasty Plot or Flame Charge and even then it is pressured by the strong priority users in the tier (Azu, Loom, Sciz). To make it good on a team it has to be strictly built around and all of its threats have to have solid checks making it a struggle. I think it should stay where it is or maybe move down because it is an underwhelming threat.
Now for a nomination of my own:
Mega Abomasnow up to B- (I Disagree With It Dropping)
First off, B- rank is meant for Pokemon that aren't extremely viable but have versatility and a niche that makes them unique from others. I believe Mega Abomasnow fits these categories. I recognize it is very weak to threats like Mega Aggron, Breloom, Scizor, and Chandelure, but those mons already threaten so much, and Mega Abomasnow has so much untapped power.
Abomasnow @ Abomasite
Ability: Soundproof
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Blizzard
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Focus Punch
Ability: Soundproof
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Blizzard
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Focus Punch
4 Atk Abomasnow-Mega Focus Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 498-586 (69.7 - 82%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after hail damage and Leftovers recovery
Shout out to sparrow for giving me this set. Not many people know this but Mega Abomasnow is a terrifying stall breaker because it can Focus Punch Blissey on the switch doing massive damage even while uninvested. Being a Grass-type it beats Alomomola, Azumarill and Quagsire, as well as being an Ice-type in a meta where Mamoswine is banned, it puts pressure on Dragon-types and walls like Hippowdon, Swampert, and Gliscor. Hidden Power Fire is an easy way to lure in Scizor, although be weary of a possible banded Bullet Punch coming your way!
Abomasnow @ Abomasite
Ability: Soundproof
EVs: 92 HP / 252 Atk / 164 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Ice Shard
- Seed Bomb
- Earthquake
Ability: Soundproof
EVs: 92 HP / 252 Atk / 164 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Ice Shard
- Seed Bomb
- Earthquake
This set performs just as well versus stall and other team types while also having priority for threats like Hydreigon, Mega Aerodactyl, and Latias. Pretty much serves the same purpose as the set above.
I always encourage the use of underrated Pokemon and believe Mega Abomasnow is deserving of B-. Again being an Ice-type in a meta where there are few, having mixed offensive stats, priority, and bulk make it a viable offensive threat.
Any comments are appreciated! Bye now :)
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