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SPOILERS! Pokemon Sun and Moon Full Game Datamine General Discussion Thread
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It was discussed a couple of pages back. Its an encounter that only happens when you get a wild Bagon to call for allies. Its seems like a its bit tough to get it to appear though, since you first have to encounter Bagon then have it call for help an upward of 120+ times to get the Salamence to come. Source is Zhull:
He got it eventually, but I don't know how many it took:
A few questions that might not have been discussed, I can't seem to find an answer for these:
1- What are the pokemon that come with 3 max IVs? The cover legends surely, but what about the four Tapus? And what about the Ultra Beasts?
2- Concerning Bottle Caps, does anyone know how much the Silver and Gold ones cost? It might be cheaper to use 3 Silver ones on a legendary depending on cost.
3- This question might be a story spoiler and I'm not exactly sure how to "put it behind a button"
I'll word my question carefully just in case.
Here we go. Can you synchronize/reset/affect the nature of the story-mode cover legendary right before catching it? I know about the other thing at the end of the game about a portal and I'm pretty sure you can synchronize that one's nature and that it evolves differently based on game.
Spoilers over.
Sorry if that was overdramatic
1- What are the pokemon that come with 3 max IVs? The cover legends surely, but what about the four Tapus? And what about the Ultra Beasts?
2- Concerning Bottle Caps, does anyone know how much the Silver and Gold ones cost? It might be cheaper to use 3 Silver ones on a legendary depending on cost.
3- This question might be a story spoiler and I'm not exactly sure how to "put it behind a button"
I'll word my question carefully just in case.
Here we go. Can you synchronize/reset/affect the nature of the story-mode cover legendary right before catching it? I know about the other thing at the end of the game about a portal and I'm pretty sure you can synchronize that one's nature and that it evolves differently based on game.
Spoilers over.
Sorry if that was overdramatic
That is not true. Exp. Share works just like it did in Gen VI, gives all teammates who didn't participate in battle half of the experience they would have received if they had. What works like in Gen V is the experience scaling - the difference in level between the Pokémon gaining exp and the opponent beaten influences the amount of experience gained. That does make it a bit harder to overlevel, essentially, but not because of any Exp. Share changes.
About XP share: I played through the whole game by simply beating every trainer and catching all of the new pokemon I found on every route, I did virtually zero grinding aside from when I added a new mon to my team. That alone was enough to overlevel me with XP share on, but with XP share off I started to underlevel quickly, so I simply turned XP share on and off as I played in order to keep myself in a fun spot.
It's worth saying that when I got to the e4 i was underleveled by about 5, so that ended up being pretty interesting.
And yes, XP share works like Gen 6. If you play normally with XP share on you will probably be 5 levels or so overleveled on average throughout your playthrough, I'd guess.
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1 - Both Tapus and UB's get 3IV's, I'll check box legens later and Necrosma when I get it..
2-30 shards of the same color, they are very expensive so start grinding Poke Pelago asap. I'll double check this.
3- You get a brief moment to save before pressing A on the box legend.
It's worth saying that when I got to the e4 i was underleveled by about 5, so that ended up being pretty interesting.
And yes, XP share works like Gen 6. If you play normally with XP share on you will probably be 5 levels or so overleveled on average throughout your playthrough, I'd guess.
Count Serperior
1 - Both Tapus and UB's get 3IV's, I'll check box legens later and Necrosma when I get it..
2-30 shards of the same color, they are very expensive so start grinding Poke Pelago asap. I'll double check this.
3- You get a brief moment to save before pressing A on the box legend.
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So, exactly where you'd expect to be with it off in Gen VI. Nice.
Oh wow thats actually easier then in the past games, nice.
Awesome. Thanks for that. Yes seems odd to make it a BP prize unless you are really unlucky
Oh joy. Well best to just throw pokeballs at the start and hope for the best
So with this breeding route does that mean I can stick a piece of paper beneath the circle pad to force it to go into a circle by itself like in Lumiose city? Or will I still need to go through that tiny extra effort of doing the circling myself? I just want to know if I can still breed/hatch one handed or not.
I just want to say that if Poke Pelago is the only way to get Shards, Hyper Training isn't going to be a viable method of.. anything really. Hyper training legendaries occasionally will be about it.
Bottle Caps cost 30 Shards of the same color, and a day of mining them on Pelago gets you about 4, and they usually aren't the same color. Spending Beans to speed up the process can get you about 8 Shards per 24 hours, the extra items you get for spending Beans on top of the faster mine time are non-Shards it seems. This means that you're looking at potentially 4 Bottle Caps every 2 weeks.
This can remedy not having good IV's on Ultra Beast and Legendaries (assuming you got good natures on them) and it can give speed to select HP Fire mons or whatever, but it definitely does not replace breeding with an accessible system that levels the playing field and gets rid of the need for hacking to stay competitive ─ if anything it's a gruelingly slow buffer to fix bad IV's on things with good natures. Being able to Hyper Train is a rare occasion and it doesn't fix the issue of bad natures on legendaries. New players getting into competitive play will still have to spend money on a new game to re-catch the legendaries they didn't know they had to reset for natures, received hacked legendaries from other players, or hack themselves.
Of course aside form natures most of this goes away if there is a way to quickly farm Shards that I just haven't discovered yet, so feel free to tell me to settle down if that's the case. It's also worth noting that a new player can take his or her UB's and presumably SOS chained mons and put a dent in the Battle Tree in order to get the items locked behind the BP grind, as well as the fact that a surprising amount of competitive items (Focus Sash, Life Orb, etc) are actually located on the map and not BP-only items.
Bottle Caps cost 30 Shards of the same color, and a day of mining them on Pelago gets you about 4, and they usually aren't the same color. Spending Beans to speed up the process can get you about 8 Shards per 24 hours, the extra items you get for spending Beans on top of the faster mine time are non-Shards it seems. This means that you're looking at potentially 4 Bottle Caps every 2 weeks.
This can remedy not having good IV's on Ultra Beast and Legendaries (assuming you got good natures on them) and it can give speed to select HP Fire mons or whatever, but it definitely does not replace breeding with an accessible system that levels the playing field and gets rid of the need for hacking to stay competitive ─ if anything it's a gruelingly slow buffer to fix bad IV's on things with good natures. Being able to Hyper Train is a rare occasion and it doesn't fix the issue of bad natures on legendaries. New players getting into competitive play will still have to spend money on a new game to re-catch the legendaries they didn't know they had to reset for natures, received hacked legendaries from other players, or hack themselves.
Of course aside form natures most of this goes away if there is a way to quickly farm Shards that I just haven't discovered yet, so feel free to tell me to settle down if that's the case. It's also worth noting that a new player can take his or her UB's and presumably SOS chained mons and put a dent in the Battle Tree in order to get the items locked behind the BP grind, as well as the fact that a surprising amount of competitive items (Focus Sash, Life Orb, etc) are actually located on the map and not BP-only items.
Do we know if Zygarde is shiny locked?
An NPC claims he fished up a Bottle Cap on Poni Island, but man, it's either a bunch of Bulu or a very rare occurrence, 'cause all I'm getting are Pearls and occasional Sticky Barbs.
I found one or two... In about 90 minutes of fishing. I was fishing on the route leading up to the Battle Tree.
Going to assume you didn't leave and come back to reset the rippling water? I was afraid Caps could only be fished in those and that would be unbelievably tedious.
I didn't.
How easy would it be to get competitive teams together you guys think without oras/xy? For some reason my AS has completely vanished with 95% of all my good gen vi stuff and it has been very saddening :(. I do still have my y that has quiet a few things on it but all my main mons were on oras.
Do you have to run around manually? I'm not a fan of having to rotate my circle pad a lot at once, cause thats what weakens it easily.
So I've been working on a walkthrough, but I kind of lost enthusiasm as I realised making it was taking away from my enjoyment of the game. Here's what I've done so far. The data is by no means complete, especially in regards to hidden items, but here's what I've got so far, hope it helps people. I got up to the Battle Dome and didn't backtrack much.
http://pastebin.com/XiNKnsGf
If there's a better place to post this, let me know.
http://pastebin.com/XiNKnsGf
If there's a better place to post this, let me know.
Is there anything in Alola that can pass the Egg Move Iron Tail to the Gible line?
I don't believe so. I'm pretty sure it's only Aggron it can get it from, which I'm pretty sure isn't in the Alolan dex...
No unfortunately. As a matter of fact, the only way to pass Iron Tail as an egg move (Field group) is to sketch Guzzlord's Iron tail since nothing else learns it via level up.
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