Goodra [1/2]

[lydian]

[SET]
name: All-Out Attacker
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Sludge Bomb
move 3: Fire Blast / Flamethrower
move 4: Hydro Pump / Thunderbolt
item: Choice Specs
ability: Sap Sipper
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Goodra can make use of its monstrous special bulk to deal with special attackers such as Heliolisk, and Roserade, even avoiding a Sleep Powder from the latter due to Sap Sipper. Its colorful coverage and high power after a Choice Specs boost allow it to be quite the hurdle for unprepared teams. Sadly, Choice Specs makes it very prediction-reliant. Sludge Bomb hits Sylveon and other fairies like Gardevoir for at least a 2HKO. Fire coverage is useful for hitting Bronzong and other Steel-types like Copperajah and Escavalier, Fire Blast is preferred for the higher damage output and better rolls versus something like Celebi, but Flamethrower still suffices, 2HKOing Copperajah and Bronzong, whereas still OHKOing Escavalier. Last but not least Hydro Pump does a ton to Gigalith and can also nab a surprise OHKO on Rhyperior. Thunderbolt is another option on the other hand, mostly for Milotic, but also hitting other bulky Water-types like the rarer Vaporeon and Mantine.

Teammates that can pressure Wish Sylveon are a given for Goodra. The likes of Darmanitan and Galarian Weezing come to mind, Darmanitan also pressures Steel-types making it easier for Goodra to click Draco Meteor more freely. Copperajah, Bronzong, Rhyperior, and Gigalith help switch into Noivern, Sylveon, and Gardevoir, and setting useful Stealth Rock for Goodra. More physically defensive Pokémon are also useful, as Goodra is of no use on that aspect. Milotic comes to mind, checking the likes of Cobalion and Darmanitan, while in return, Goodra deals with Grass- and Electric-types, like Roserade and Rotom-W. The aforementioned Galarian Weezing is also a great teammate, being able to check Flygon and Haxorus safely for Goodra, while Goodra can cover special attackers like Celebi and Espeon in return. Pivots that can bring Goodra in are very welcome, Rotom-W gives a free Volt Switch on Grass-types like Celebi and Roserade that Goodra forces out, and Incineroar gets Goodra on a Rhyperior or a Milotic with U-turn or Parting Shot, Knocking Off Gigalith and Sylveon's Leftovers also goes a long way to help Goodra break. Last but not least, Sylveon helps checks opposing Dragons, and can easily pass Wishes to Goodra, especially against the common Roserade that will switch into Sylveon.

 

[Hilomilo]

Two days for this as well

 

[lydian]

oops, thousand apologies for the delay. this is ready for qc now :x

 

[Lily]

amcheck, post this rat, blah blah
purple stuff's just comments, red means remove, blue means add

the check

[SET]
name: All-Out Attacker
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Sludge Bomb
move 3: Flamethrower / Fire Blast - i think these should be switched tbh but thats up to qc
move 4: Hydro Pump / Thunderbolt
item: Choice Specs
ability: Sap Sipper
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Goodra can make use of its monstrous special bulk to deal with special attackers such as Heliolisk, Roserade, and Venusaur in sun i dont wanna say this is wrong but it kinda implies that you can't check venu outside of sun lol, while still hitting very hard. Its colorful coverage allows it to be quite the hurdle for unprepared teams. Sadly, Choice Specs makes it very prediction-reliant, and going with another item, such as Expert Belt, further emphasizes Goodra's already poor damage output i think this is kinda dumpstering it too much esp since you've already said it hits very hard, it has its flaws but its damage output def isn't one of them bc it's pretty much a nuke. just say that ebelt makes it struggle with breaking targets it hits neutrally. Draco Meteor is the STAB move of choice, dealing a good chunk of damage to anything that doesn't resist it. fluff Sludge Bomb hits Sylveon, while it's not enough to 2HKO without chip damage, it's a useful tool to not let Goodra helpless against it. i assume you meant ebelt here bc specs sludge bomb does 53-63 and 2hkos it guaranteed even factoring in protect Flamethrower provides valuable coverage for Bronzong and Escavalier. but Fire Blast is ideal on Expert Belt variants to have a better shot at 2HKOing it Bronzong. this might look like more of a gp change but with the added escav mention you kinda need to change this sentence so that it actually works Last but not least Hydro Pump provides a more immediate hit on Rhyperior and Gigalith, as they can shrug off Draco Meteors decently well. gigalith can kinda eat it but rhyp literally takes like 80 lol, this is better expressed in the next point Hydro Pump hits Gigalith hard and can also nab a surprise OHKO on Rhyperior, which can be very useful, especially on Expert Belt sets. Thunderbolt is another option on the other hand, mostly for Milotic, but also hitting other bulky Water-types like the rarer Vaporeon and Jellicent Mantine. Choice Specs is preferred for a noticeable increase in damage output, but Expert Belt gives Goodra much-needed flexibility, and still hits decently strong. Sap Sipper is the preferred ability to avoid Sleep Powder from Roserade as well as the rare Strenght Sap from Jellicent or Vileplume.

Teammates that can pressure Sylveon are a given for Goodra. The likes of Chandelure, only specs chandy can actually pressure sylv at all rly and that doesn't pair well with goodra for the most part Darmanitan, and Galarian Weezing, and Toxtricity not gonna strike this one through but it's kinda the same thing as chandy, having two specs breakers on the same team like this just isn't super recommendable come to mind. And while Goodra's special defense is remarkable, it still can't check Noivern and Choice Specs Gardevoir or Sylveon, making checks to those of high importance. Bronzong and Copperajah can take on all three, whereas Gigalith and Rhyperior help moreso with Noivern. I'm not sure exactly what way you wanna do it, but all of zong/raj/giga/rhyp check sylv (albeit loosely in rhyp's case), I'd rework all of this into one point about checking sylv/fairies/vern in general More physically defensive Pokémon are also useful, as Goodra is of no use on that aspect. Milotic comes to mind, checking the likes of Cobalion and Darmanitan, while in return, Goodra deals with Grass- and Electric-types like Rotom-W and Roserade. The aforementioned Galarian Weezing is also a great teammate, being able to check Flygon and Haxorus safely for Goodra, while Goodra can check strong special attackers like Espeon and Celebi in return.

Mention pivots that can bring Goodra in safely on some of the stuff it beats. Rotom-W is a great example that brings Goodra in safely on the grass types it slaps like rose and celebi. Incin can also get it in safely vs rhyp which is usually a free draco, and knocks sylv's lefties so that it doesn't really check goodra much anymore.

Mention hazard setters (maybe work this into the rajah/zong/giga/rhyp point?) bc Goodra rly needs all the help it can get when breaking

Mention Sylveon in particular, it gives it Wish support (which it can often abuse bc it comes in on rose, which usually comes in on sylv) and checks Hax, which you are inherently weak to when using Goodra over something like Flygon or Noivern

 

[Twilight]

amcheck, post this rat, blah blah
purple stuff's just comments, red means remove, blue means add

[SET]
name: All-Out Attacker Call it Choice Specs
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Sludge Bomb
move 3: Flamethrower / Fire Blast - i think these should be switched tbh but thats up to qc
move 4: Hydro Pump / Thunderbolt
item: Choice Specs
ability: Sap Sipper
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Goodra can make use of its monstrous special bulk to deal with special attackers such as Heliolisk, Roserade, and Venusaur in sun i dont wanna say this is wrong but it kinda implies that you can't check venu outside of sun lol, Venusaur just got banned remove while still hitting very hard. Its colorful coverage allows it to be quite the hurdle for unprepared teams. Sadly, Choice Specs makes it very prediction-reliant, and going with another item, such as Expert Belt, further emphasizes Goodra's already poor damage output i think this is kinda dumpstering it too much esp since you've already said it hits very hard, it has its flaws but its damage output def isn't one of them bc it's pretty much a nuke. just say that ebelt makes it struggle with breaking targets it hits neutrally. Remove this whole Expert Belt shit, you shouldn't even be considering that as an alternative. The items don't even come close in comparison for Belt to be worth using. Draco Meteor is the STAB move of choice, dealing a good chunk of damage to anything that doesn't resist it. fluff Sludge Bomb hits Sylveon, while it's not enough to 2HKO without chip damage, it's a useful tool to not let Goodra helpless against it. i assume you meant ebelt here bc specs sludge bomb does 53-63 and 2hkos it guaranteed even factoring in protect As Lily said, just mention it gives it a great tool to break Fairy-types like Sylveon and Gardevoir reliably. Flamethrower provides valuable coverage for Bronzong and Escavalier. but Fire Blast is ideal on Expert Belt variants to have a better shot at 2HKOing it Bronzong. this might look like more of a gp change but with the added escav mention you kinda need to change this sentence so that it actually works Remove the belt mention again. Make Fire Blast the initial move option, then say how Flamethrower is an alternative for the accuracy at the cost of power. Last but not least Hydro Pump provides a more immediate hit on Rhyperior and Gigalith, as they can shrug off Draco Meteors decently well. gigalith can kinda eat it but rhyp literally takes like 80 lol, this is better expressed in the next point Hydro Pump hits Gigalith hard and can also nab a surprise OHKO on Rhyperior, which can be very useful, especially on Expert Belt sets. Remove Belt. Thunderbolt is another option on the other hand, mostly for Milotic, but also hitting other bulky Water-types like the rarer Vaporeon and Jellicent Mantine. Choice Specs is preferred for a noticeable increase in damage output, but Expert Belt gives Goodra much-needed flexibility, and still hits decently strong. Remove Belt. Sap Sipper is the preferred ability to avoid Sleep Powder from Roserade as well as the rare Strenght Sap from Jellicent or Vileplume. I would just move the Sap Sipper mention to the top where you brought up its SpD to pivot into Roserade. Remove the Strength Sap stuff.

Double-check all the calcs you ran because this should be exclusively Specs.

Teammates that can pressure Sylveon are a given for Goodra. The likes of Chandelure, only specs chandy can actually pressure sylv at all rly and that doesn't pair well with goodra for the most part Darmanitan, and Galarian Weezing, and Toxtricity not gonna strike this one through but it's kinda the same thing as chandy, having two specs breakers on the same team like this just isn't super recommendable come to mind. Mention Darm's ability to break past Steel-types, allowing Goodra to click Draco Meteor more easily. And while Goodra's special defense is remarkable, it still can't check Noivern and Choice Specs Gardevoir or Sylveon, making checks to those of high importance. This doesn't really have much relevance, like whether or not you have high SpD or not you aren't gonna switch into this with its pure Dragon-typing. Just mention how Steel-types can check Fairy- and Dragon-types for it. Bronzong and Copperajah can take on all three, whereas Gigalith and Rhyperior help moreso with Noivern. I'm not sure exactly what way you wanna do it, but all of zong/raj/giga/rhyp check sylv (albeit loosely in rhyp's case), I'd rework all of this into one point about checking sylv/fairies/vern in general Just adding to this but those Steel-types check Noivern well enough too. So as she said make this point generic. More physically defensive Pokémon are also useful, as Goodra is of no use on that aspect. Milotic comes to mind, checking the likes of Cobalion and Darmanitan, while in return, Goodra deals with Grass- and Electric-types like Rotom-W and Roserade. The aforementioned Galarian Weezing is also a great teammate, being able to check Flygon and Haxorus safely for Goodra, while Goodra can check strong special attackers like Espeon and Celebi in return.

Mention pivots that can bring Goodra in safely on some of the stuff it beats. Rotom-W is a great example that brings Goodra in safely on the grass types it slaps like rose and celebi. Incin can also get it in safely vs rhyp which is usually a free draco, and knocks sylv's lefties so that it doesn't really check goodra much anymore. This is a bit of an overstatement about it not checking Goodra well anymore, but the point stands that it can break it easier.

Mention hazard setters (maybe work this into the rajah/zong/giga/rhyp point?) bc Goodra rly needs all the help it can get when breaking

Mention Sylveon in particular, it gives it Wish support (which it can often abuse bc it comes in on rose, which usually comes in on sylv) and checks Hax, which you are inherently weak to when using Goodra over something like Flygon or Noivern

Going over Lily's check, anything I don't comment on implement. My comments are in Green. Tag me when you implement this on Discord or here. I want to go over this again before giving 1/2

Good job both of you

 

[lydian]

Twilight did, sorry for the delay :x

 

[Twilight]

[SET]
name: All-Out Attacker
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Sludge Bomb
move 3: Fire Blast / Flamethrower
move 4: Hydro Pump / Thunderbolt
item: Choice Specs
ability: Sap Sipper
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Goodra can make use of its monstrous special bulk to deal with special attackers such as Heliolisk, and Roserade, even avoiding a Sleep Powder from the latter due to Sap Sipper. Its colorful coverage allows it to be quite the hurdle for unprepared teams. I would mention how it's a decently strong wallbreak with a Choice Specs before leading into the downside of it being very prediction reliant Sadly, Choice Specs makes it very prediction-reliant. Sludge Bomb hits Sylveon and other fairies like Gardevoir for at least a 2HKO. Fire coverage is useful for hitting Bronzong and other Steel-types like Copperajah and Escavalier, Fire Blast is preferred for the higher damage output, but Flamethrower still suffices, 2HKOing all of them with ease. This just makes it sound like Flamethrower is the better alternative. Mention how Fire Blast guarantees the 2HKO on Bronzong and the OHKO on a foe like Celebi after rocks. Also, flamethrower still OHKO's Escav so that statement is false. Last but not least Hydro Pump does a ton to Gigalith and can also nab a surprise OHKO on Rhyperior. Thunderbolt is another option on the other hand, mostly for Milotic, but also hitting other bulky Water-types like the rarer Vaporeon and Mantine. Choice Specs is preferred for a noticeable increase in damage output. Not needed when you mention it above

Teammates that can pressure Wish Sylveon are a given for Goodra. The likes of Darmanitan and Galarian Weezing come to mind, Darmanitan also pressures Steel-types making it easier for Goodra to click Draco Meteor more freely. Copperajah, Bronzong, Rhyperior, and Gigalith help switch into Noivern and Choice Specs Sylveon and Gardevoir No need to split this just say Sylveon, also use commas for the list of names , while also helping pressure defensive Sylveon variants as well, and setting useful Stealth Rock for Goodra. More physically defensive Pokémon are also useful, as Goodra is of no use on that aspect. Milotic comes to mind, checking the likes of Cobalion and Darmanitan, while in return, Goodra deals with Grass- and Electric-types, like Roserade and Rotom-W. The aforementioned Galarian Weezing is also a great teammate, being able to check Flygon and Haxorus safely for Goodra, while Goodra can cover special attackers like Celebi and Espeon in return. Pivots that can bring Goodra in are very welcome, Rotom-W gives a free Volt Switch on Grass-types like Celebi and Roserade that Goodra forces out, and Incineroar gets Goodra on a Rhyperior or a Milotic with U-turn or Parting Shot, Knocking Off Gigalith and Sylveon's Leftovers also goes a long way to help Goodra break. Last but not least, Sylveon helps checks opposing Dragons, and can easily pass Wishes to Goodra, especially against the common Roserade that will switch into Sylveon.

1/2

 

[lydian]

did

 

[autumn]

QC 2/2 proofread before gp please

[SET]
name: All-Out All-out Attacker
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Sludge Bomb
move 3: Fire Blast / Flamethrower
move 4: Hydro Pump / Thunderbolt (make tbolt the only 4th slash and keep hydro mentioned but not slashed)
item: Choice Specs
ability: Sap Sipper
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Goodra can make use of its monstrous special bulk to deal with special attackers such as Heliolisk, and Roserade, even avoiding a Sleep Powder from the latter due to Sap Sipper. Its colorful coverage and high power after a Choice Specs boost allow it to be quite the hurdle for unprepared teams. (you can mention more specifically how its hard for a lot of pokemon to switch into) Sadly, Choice Specs makes it very prediction-reliant. Sludge Bomb hits Sylveon and other fairies (proofread pls) like Gardevoir for at least a 2HKO. (you can mention the poison chance too to help with sylv / others) Fire coverage is useful for hitting Bronzong and other Steel-types like Copperajah and Escavalier, Fire Blast is preferred for the higher damage output and better rolls (not really clear what you mean by higher damage and better rolls either say one or make it clearer. is celebi only ohkoed by fire blast?) versus something like Celebi, but Flamethrower still suffices, 2HKOing Copperajah and Bronzong, whereas still OHKOing Escavalier. Last but not least Hydro Pump does a ton to Gigalith and can also nab a surprise OHKO on Rhyperior. Thunderbolt is another option on the other hand, mostly for Milotic, but also hitting other bulky Water-types like the rarer Vaporeon and Mantine.

Teammates that can pressure Wish Sylveon are a given for Goodra. The likes of Darmanitan and Galarian Weezing come to mind, Darmanitan also pressures Steel-types making it easier for Goodra to click Draco Meteor more freely. Copperajah, Bronzong, Rhyperior, and Gigalith help switch into Noivern, Sylveon, and Gardevoir, and setting useful Stealth Rock for Goodra. More physically defensive Pokémon are also useful, as Goodra is of no use on that aspect. Milotic comes to mind, checking the likes of Cobalion and Darmanitan, while in return, Goodra deals with Grass- and Electric-types, like Roserade and Rotom-W. The aforementioned Galarian Weezing is also a great teammate, being able to check Flygon and Haxorus safely for Goodra, while Goodra can cover special attackers like Celebi and Espeon in return. Pivots that can bring Goodra in are very welcome, Rotom-W gives a free Volt Switch on Grass-types like Celebi and Roserade that Goodra forces out, and Incineroar gets Goodra on a Rhyperior or a Milotic with U-turn or Parting Shot, Knocking Off Gigalith and Sylveon's Leftovers also goes a long way to help Goodra break. Last but not least, Sylveon helps checks opposing Dragons, and can easily pass Wishes to Goodra, especially against the common Roserade that will switch into Sylveon.

 

[autumn]

Hi, we're locking and moving this due to the new meta shifts. Goodra isn't currently back up for reservation, but you can look at the reservation index to take something else.