The circumstances surrounding Torchic and Diophantine's RBY UU series somehow seem to be understood differently from the perspective of both involved teams, so I figured I'd shed some light on it and properly present a case for the hosts to consider. First off, it would be proper to display the scheduling logs between both players:Calling ACT on my opp, have been trying to get a specific time all week from him to no avail, gave him my availability today, and he did not show up, and no sub was available.
The circumstances surrounding Torchic and Diophantine's RBY UU series somehow seem to be understood differently from the perspective of both involved teams, so I figured I'd shed some light on it and properly present a case for the hosts to consider. First off, it would be proper to display the scheduling logs between both players:
As seen in the first screenshot, Torchic made it incredibly clear that he would not be free all day on Sunday and specified a 3 hour window of availability. Note that Diophantine did not explicitly state that this window would not work for him and proceeded to vaguely answer Torchic's repeated scheduling attempts. Torchic made both myself and Indigo Plateau aware of the hazy communication on Diophantine's end and immediately upon recognizing the situation, I sent the following alerts out to both vivalospride and Amane Misa (Diophantine's managers).
Here, viv does admit that Diophantine has indeed been 'difficult' with regards to scheduling and that they would be willing to provide a substitute. Normal substitute rulings for team tournaments imply that the substitute would be made readily available at the previously scheduled time between the original opponents. As things stand now, no substitute post from either vivalospride or Amane Misa's ends has been made and it is well past the time Torchic was available to play. Again, Torchic explicitly stated his availability to Diophantine in their initial scheduling conversation and the range was not refuted by Diophantine in any visible way. To make matters worse, Diophantine was apparently online on the forums (well after the window Torchic gave to him) and seems to be blatantly uninterested in getting the game done.
I even gave express permission to one of the Dragonairs' players in Estarossa to contact vivalospride and Amane Misa if Diophantine was nowhere to be found during the times Torchic had offered to him. Here you'll see some logs from the UU Snake Managers channel at around the scheduled time:
As a reminder, Torchic gave Diophantine a window from 2 AM - 5 AM (GMT -5) on Sunday and was waiting for Diophantine or a substitute to be made available to him nearly 5 hours after this window had expired. I think I've honestly gone on for long enough about how accomodating Torchic has been for the purposes of getting his games done, which has been conversely unmirrored by Diophantine in return. Again, no substitute post was made by either manager on the opposite side which should easily point towards Torchic getting the activity win here.
tl;dr Give Torchic the activity win over Diophantine. It's crystal clear.
fuck it didn’t come out properly but that’s scl champ IP taunting a 0.001% salamence with Cobalion (faster)
Too busy with SCL finals to address the issues? Sounds like a you problem.Knowing that we’d both be busy with SCL finals on Sunday we reached out multiple times beforehand to avoid something like this, and I don’t see why you would wait to sub your player out until after the deadline Torchic originally gave and expect us to sub ours out too. Imagine how easily abusable this is in theory: you’re in a tour where you have a weak slot, you tell your player to reply saying he can play one day of the week then not give specific times, then you sub him out when the other team’s starter isn’t available anymore and force them to sub them out. That’s not how it works.
I must have missed the sub post. Could someone please link it for records purposes?I have literally never seen a situation on this website where an activity win is granted in a 5-4 situation after a substitute is provided.
The sub and playing proposals are in the uusd managers discord chat.I must have missed the sub post. Could someone please link it for records purposes?
You’re joking rightToo busy with SCL finals to address the issues? Sounds like a you problem.
Imagine how easily abusable it is to give three times to your opponent that clearly do not work for them, "show up" to those times despite them having not been agreed upon (what?), and then claiming that they missed the scheduled time (again, what?)
The issue is that the two players could not align because your player had crap availability. But you're paving forward that your player "scheduled" and "showed up" and as such you do not need to provide a substitute and you have been automatically granted the activity win. As such, you ignore both managers' attempts to arrange a substitute.
I have literally never seen a situation on this website where an activity win is granted in a 5-4 situation after a substitute is provided. You claim you were "busy" with SCL, but it sounds to me like a lack of manageering was occurring, you saw an opportunity to fish for activity so you ignored the fact that we substituted, and now you are going forward with it full speed ahead because you don't want to give the week result a fair shot.
Torchic didn’t say he can only play latest 10 AM his time, he said “15:00 - 18:00 my time would be okay, give me a time that works for you”, to which you didn’t reply. If my math doesn’t fail me, Accel brought this up again in the manager chat one hour ahead of the time Torchic had proposed on Sunday, viv replied within the course of the next hour, and we had esta take over where he was very actively vocal and clear about you guys making a sub and in the time frame it should hopefully be done in before Torchic had to go (but again we’re trying to fish for activity so badly that we even had one of our players stay communicating in the manager chat while we were sleeping).Torchic told me he can only play latest 10am my time, I told my managers this was unreasonable on Thursday (and then again on the following days) because A) in the weekday I have things to do (ironic given the timing of this post but this Monday morning is relatively not busy for me) and B) on the weekend mornings I cannot predict how hungover I will be or even if I'm gonna be at my own house.
My managers wanted a double sub, which is fair. Torchic can only play mornings; I can only play evenings (with afternoon exceptions on weekends), so naturally this should be the case. Also, they were trying to claim that Torchic was sleeping at 8pm his time... lol? (unless I've understood that incorrectly?)
If anything, I think we should get the act win because we were the ones actually trying to get the game done by asking for a double sub and not trying to dance around on technicalities.
Honestly, the hungover argument doesn't look that absurd now after you take in account what I just read, you really mustn't be sober enough to think that this was a lucid post. It is a consensus between anyone who's not in your team that you were irresponsible and lazy with scheduling (yet again lol), so it's hilarious to see you not only arguing against it after demonstrating no willingness to play, but also claiming to deserve an activity win. This case is literally solved. Free Week 3.Torchic told me he can only play latest 10am my time, I told my managers this was unreasonable on Thursday (and then again on the following days) because A) in the weekday I have things to do (ironic given the timing of this post but this Monday morning is relatively not busy for me) and B) on the weekend mornings I cannot predict how hungover I will be or even if I'm gonna be at my own house.
My managers wanted a double sub, which is fair. Torchic can only play mornings; I can only play evenings (with afternoon exceptions on weekends), so naturally this should be the case. Also, they were trying to claim that Torchic was sleeping at 8pm his time... lol? (unless I've understood that incorrectly?)
If anything, I think we should get the act win because we were the ones actually trying to get the game done by asking for a double sub and not trying to dance around on technicalities.
Are you fucking joking? Why it's a double sub situation? You didn't try to schedule for the whole week. Double sub only applied when two players all have time to play but never match each other.Torchic told me he can only play latest 10am my time, I told my managers this was unreasonable on Thursday (and then again on the following days) because A) in the weekday I have things to do (ironic given the timing of this post but this Monday morning is relatively not busy for me) and B) on the weekend mornings I cannot predict how hungover I will be or even if I'm gonna be at my own house.
My managers wanted a double sub, which is fair. Torchic can only play mornings; I can only play evenings (with afternoon exceptions on weekends), so naturally this should be the case. Also, they were trying to claim that Torchic was sleeping at 8pm his time... lol? (unless I've understood that incorrectly?)
If anything, I think we should get the act win because we were the ones actually trying to get the game done by asking for a double sub and not trying to dance around on technicalities.
ok boomerfuck it didn’t come out properly but that’s scl champ IP taunting a 0.001% salamence with Cobalion (faster)
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