We can just give it an attack of around 80 or less and make him a bulky sweeper/tank.
BTW, my BST idea for a Bulky Ghost/Fight or Ghost/Steel sweeper.
70/110/100/75/90/70= 515 total
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70/80/110/90/100/70
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CAP 2 Smogon "Create a Pokemon" Part Deux: Poll 2
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BTW, my BST idea for a Bulky Ghost/Fight or Ghost/Steel sweeper.
70/110/100/75/90/70= 515 total
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70/80/110/90/100/70
uh yeah we got 2 (tomb and noir), that's...definately alot >.>
How many Ghost tanks we ever got?
Edit: Oh right...2 to 3 Ghost type tanks...hm, alot of choices for a Ghost tank I see.
Edit: Oh right...2 to 3 Ghost type tanks...hm, alot of choices for a Ghost tank I see.
That's still more than the amount of physical sweepers we have.
Besides, two Pokemon of the same or a similar typing filling nearly the same role is not a cause for us to create another Pokemon like it. I want to add something unique to the game, not a Dusknoir/Spiritomb clone which this will most likely end up being.
Besides, two Pokemon of the same or a similar typing filling nearly the same role is not a cause for us to create another Pokemon like it. I want to add something unique to the game, not a Dusknoir/Spiritomb clone which this will most likely end up being.
Well....still want an Bulky Sweeper like the first set of stat I said provide.
i hope we get another poll with the top 4 options.
Fire/Ghost eh?
Hmmm...
65/70/65/125/75/95 = 495.
Trust me on this, STAB Overheat is beastly. With Life Orb, Positive nature and Max SA this will OHKO Hippowdon over 90% of the time.
Or are there too many specal-based Ghosts?
Physical-based:
75/120/70/60/65/105 = 495.
This could use Shadow Claw and Flare Blitz quite well, as well as Thunderpunch. It's Subpunching would be quite powerful as well. Don't even try to switch in Weavile.
Hmmm...
65/70/65/125/75/95 = 495.
Trust me on this, STAB Overheat is beastly. With Life Orb, Positive nature and Max SA this will OHKO Hippowdon over 90% of the time.
Or are there too many specal-based Ghosts?
Physical-based:
75/120/70/60/65/105 = 495.
This could use Shadow Claw and Flare Blitz quite well, as well as Thunderpunch. It's Subpunching would be quite powerful as well. Don't even try to switch in Weavile.
Can it please be UU? Fire/Ghost would be awesome, and I play UU more than OU these days. Anyway, Nintendo wouldn't accept a dex full of supermons anyway, we need a few weaklings.
Fire/Ghost is a very poor type to attempt any sort of tanking. It's Pursuit bait AND Dugtrio bait, in addition to having a horrible Rock and Water weak.
Seriously, if you want a Fire type, give it enough Attack or SA to blast the ever-loving crap out of enemies. A well placed Overheat goes a long way, especially in OU where Steel tanks, Physical walls with shaky SD, and Groos run rampant.
For some interesting calculations, check out the following. I am an avid supporter of Ghost / Fighting, and I would like to show just how awesome it would be. However, to properly display damage calculations, I will have to assign arbitrary numbers to the base statistics that I feel would be good choices.
90 HP / 82 ATK / 125 DEF / 78 SPATK / 100 SPDEF / 65 SPD
Base Statistics Total = 540
Let us presume we used a very basic 252 HP / 252 Defense +Defense Spread, because we want this to be able to simply overcome certain physical attackers.
Behold some of these damage calculations against the two main Pokemon that it could counter, making it one of the only Pokemon in the game that can reliably counter both Heracross and Tyranitar. Hell, according to the calculations, a Ghost / Fighting would perhaps convince most Heracross to carry Shadow Claw over Night Slash or Pursuit!
Against 252 HP / 252 Defense +Defense Ghost / Fighting
Max Attack Choice Band Heracross Close Combat = Immune
Max Attack Choice Band Heracross Megahorn = 12-15%
Max Attack Choice Band Heracross Stone Edge = 14-16%
Max Attack Choice Band Heracross Pursuit (Without Switching) = 11-14%
Max Attack Choice Band Heracross Night Slash = 20-23%
Max Attack Choice Band Heracross Shadow Claw = 40-47%
Max Attack Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge = 22-26%
Max Attack Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch = 35-42%
Max Attack Choice Band Tyranitar Earthquake = 30-35%
And, just to prove that this would not be overpowered, here are some damage calculations that show that this could be taken down due to its Flying, Ghost, and Psychic weaknesses. Keep in mind that I am only addressing physical attacks, as it would obviously have a far greater weakness to special attacks. So, remember, all of the following calculations are what certain Pokemon could do against an absolute Max Physical Defensive Ghost / Fighting with the given arbitrary statistics.
Max Attack Choice Band Medicham Psycho Cut = 74-87%
Max Attack Choice Scarf Medicham Psycho Cut = 50-59%
Max Attack Choice Band Staraptor Brave Bird = 98-100%
Max Attack Choice Scarf Staraptor Brave Bird = 66-77%
Just giving out some information. Basically, a Ghost / Fighting would have some problems countering some of the premier special attackers in the game due to the prevalence of Gengar (Shadow Ball), Yanmega (Air Slash), Togekiss (Air Slash), Lucario (Shadow Ball), Alakazam (Psychic / Shadow Ball), and the like, as well as some physical attackers like Medicham (Psycho Cut) and Staraptor (Brave Bird).
Yet another chapter in the case for Ghost / Fighting ...
90 HP / 82 ATK / 125 DEF / 78 SPATK / 100 SPDEF / 65 SPD
Base Statistics Total = 540
Let us presume we used a very basic 252 HP / 252 Defense +Defense Spread, because we want this to be able to simply overcome certain physical attackers.
Behold some of these damage calculations against the two main Pokemon that it could counter, making it one of the only Pokemon in the game that can reliably counter both Heracross and Tyranitar. Hell, according to the calculations, a Ghost / Fighting would perhaps convince most Heracross to carry Shadow Claw over Night Slash or Pursuit!
Against 252 HP / 252 Defense +Defense Ghost / Fighting
Max Attack Choice Band Heracross Close Combat = Immune
Max Attack Choice Band Heracross Megahorn = 12-15%
Max Attack Choice Band Heracross Stone Edge = 14-16%
Max Attack Choice Band Heracross Pursuit (Without Switching) = 11-14%
Max Attack Choice Band Heracross Night Slash = 20-23%
Max Attack Choice Band Heracross Shadow Claw = 40-47%
Max Attack Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge = 22-26%
Max Attack Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch = 35-42%
Max Attack Choice Band Tyranitar Earthquake = 30-35%
And, just to prove that this would not be overpowered, here are some damage calculations that show that this could be taken down due to its Flying, Ghost, and Psychic weaknesses. Keep in mind that I am only addressing physical attacks, as it would obviously have a far greater weakness to special attacks. So, remember, all of the following calculations are what certain Pokemon could do against an absolute Max Physical Defensive Ghost / Fighting with the given arbitrary statistics.
Max Attack Choice Band Medicham Psycho Cut = 74-87%
Max Attack Choice Scarf Medicham Psycho Cut = 50-59%
Max Attack Choice Band Staraptor Brave Bird = 98-100%
Max Attack Choice Scarf Staraptor Brave Bird = 66-77%
Just giving out some information. Basically, a Ghost / Fighting would have some problems countering some of the premier special attackers in the game due to the prevalence of Gengar (Shadow Ball), Yanmega (Air Slash), Togekiss (Air Slash), Lucario (Shadow Ball), Alakazam (Psychic / Shadow Ball), and the like, as well as some physical attackers like Medicham (Psycho Cut) and Staraptor (Brave Bird).
Yet another chapter in the case for Ghost / Fighting ...
Well, I wasn't talking about Ghost/Fire directly, more about the entire group of popular types that seem to be winning. For example, Ghost/Normal is a very interesting type, trading it's normal type weaknesses for the ghost's dark weakness. That should be it a very reasonable contender for the Jack of All Trades Pokemon, much in the same way as Snorlax functions but arguably better if the base stats are divided properly. Being "Pursuit-bait" is easily solved with a proper team, synergy included, to defend it.
Damnit people, vote for Ghost/Fighting D:. Don't make FSS hard work and great persuasive skill go down the drain because you want an Overheating/Shadow Balling Will-o-wisp pokemon.
I feel it's a shame that ghost/fire is winning. Such terrible typing, because fire is just a crappy type (defensively). Ghost fighting, on the otherhand would seriously fucking own. WHY IS IT NOT WINNING!? Ghost/grass would be fun as well.
I'm thinking making it a Sp.Sweeper. Same speed as Syclant and a priority Fire move, so Syclant now has an awsome counter!
I really want Hyra to add in the next poll "NO LEVITATE NO LEVITATE NO LEVITATE" to Ghost/Fire's entry. I really think some people are voting on that just because of Levitate.
You should, and soon this one is getting boring. And I agree no levitate.
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