It’s not just Kinesis; there’s quite a lot of returning signature moves in Isle. That’s just the first one that came to mind.
I specifically referred Kinesis because it's the only one (as far as I know) that actually was dexited then returned.
I'd argue all of those moves are significantly more viable than Steamroller (except maybe Dragon Hammer, which is viable in a vacuum but wasted on Eggy) and it makes sense why they'd return compared to Steamroller. Some of the listed moves are even integral to those mon's function, like Shore Up or Accelrock.
That's a fair point given that a lot of "equivalent" moves were dexited:
The loss of Signal Beam puzzled me too. On my Ultra Moon run, around half my Pokémon ended up using it, since it could be tutored cheaply on the first or second island. It provided great coverage to Pokémon such as Klink, Vespiquen, or Clefairy. It's a move with such great distribution that it's really strange they chose to remove it. Sort of like Feint Attack, Mud Bomb, or Ominous Wind. So good for in-game for so many Pokémon, yet removed nonetheless.
Honestly, Hidden Power wasn't surprising. The move's mechanics are a disaster.
I think the reason Signal Beam was removed is that outside of USUM usually it was relegated to postgame or significant off-tracking in order to get it on your story pokemon, and when it came to actual postgame, let's be honest, noone has used Signal Beam in last 4 or so gens.
Jolteon (and I guess Beheeyem) would disagree
Ok, I assume there's 2 relatively irrelevant mons who never saw any kind of competitive or postgame usage. Anything else?
The issue with that is that numerous Pokemon which could learn Signal Beam cannot learn Bug Buzz. It's not a case of it just being a weaker version (like Psychic/Psybeam or Bubblebeam/Bubble). It was a coverage option which lots of Pokemon (Espeon is the first example off the top of my head) appreciated, and hardly an obscure or niche one.
Yes, but the game needs that "worse version of Bug Buzz" for in-game purposes. Even if moves don't hang around to be used on competitive sets, they serve some purpose mid-way through your journey to bridge the gap between weakling early-game moves and powerful end-game moves. I mean, a 'mon can't stick with Infestation as its only Bug STAB until level 50, but if it's replaced with Bug Buzz at level 25, what's left for it to do at level 50? Instead of leaving it an end-game tutor move, they should have made it more available towards the late middle of the game.
Uhh Exeggutor family is the only thing with Barrage.
Smelling Salts was on just Makuhitha, and that is gone now so...
If I recall correctly, this move was used in the past to perform some really interestingly stupid combos in battles. Probably got cut for these to not exist.
I'm not sure why Snatch is gone, but Refresh was mostly redundant and there were better ways to get status cures. Camoflauge meanwhile, has low distribution and doesn't really make its way into movesets.
Low distribution mostly.
Nothing really uses Heal Block and there's better ways to take on stall.
And i'm talking of practical use.
I imagine all those Electric-types that lost access to Hidden Power Ice or Fire would appreciate something to hit Grass-types, especially since Electric-types usually have shit coverage options.
Maybe that's why they removed it. It was TOO widespread for a coverage move. Why need a Bug-type when you can likely catch a Pokemon that can learn Signal Beam.
Not a disaster until they introduced the Fairy-type. When Fairy was introduced they didn't bother re-doing HP to that Type, kind of going against the point of Hidden Power. Plus it gave any Special Attacker an okay coverage move while Physical Attackers were left with nothing.
Assist also had a really odd distribution due to its Japanese name: Cat's Paw. Essentially only cat Pokemon got it. Well, and for some reason Drowzee, Sentret, Sneasel (it's a weasel not a cat), Spinda, and Espurr via breeding. Also for some reason Shinx and Litleo doesn't get it, yeah they're big cats but they're still feline. Overall that alone makes it gimmicky so not surprised was removed.
It's called a partner that's a Fire- or Ice-type. At least I imagine that would be GF's reasoning; instead of making the Pokemon a one-mon army have it "stuck" with its weakness and need teammates to get through a Type wall.
This is possibly the dumbest thing I have ever heard you say. Go tell that to all the Fighting-types with Dark coverage, all the Psychic-types with Fighting, and/or Ghost coverage, all the Ground-types with Rock coverage, all the Water-types with Ice coverage. Electric is just one of those types that doesn't pair well with other types in a flavor sense, so their special movepools frequently consist of nothing but Electric and Normal moves. They're still hard-walled by Ground-types. Something to sort of get around Grass-types isn't and hasn't broken the game.
And how many times have its been stated on these forums that GF isn't the sharpest developer in Nintendo's draws?
The really odd thing is that Feint Attack is a variation of Aerial Ace, which made it in. In fact, the only other variation of Aerial Ace (7 total) that is unusable is Magnet Bomb, which, unlike Feint Attack, had very low distribution, and prior to DLC had no users in the Pokedex.
bite's quite popular as an early-game move on anything with teeth, really, so i can understand why they kept it in. definitely agree on assurance/payback, though (also, the sheer number of low-power dark-type utility moves is quite impressive)
