charizard's in the middle of b. what's the issue here?
being in bl vs ou is rather inconsequential, since there's no bl metagame for gsc. you'd need a rather unanimous vote to move stuff in and out of ou. viability ranking IS based on power, not usage. a big difference between b and a is the flexibility of the pokemon. just about everything in b is one-dimensional, and just about everything in a is two dimensional. the few one-dimensional things in a are because it's literally the best thing in the game at what it does (e.g. skarm as physical wall).
you're not explaining very clearly why charizard is or isn't good. he's a one trick pony, not much to figure out. just because a pokemon can work doesn't automatically make him ou or a-quality. charizard is nowhere near A, but humor me for a minute. what's this "optimal" charizard team you speak of?
just because you win a game with charizard, doesn't mean you win a game BECAUSE of charizard. there's a big difference. the games win because of charizard are way too far and few for it to be anything other than "situational".
shadowsneak: there's no way you're arguing quagsire is non-situational where charizard is.
I listed the team in another thread that got locked. But anyway the team i use is sorta similar to one of yours but not really. Like i said it can further be improved but im js its the best chaizard i've seen or played with . Still experimenting.
Raikou- hp water, thunderbolt, roar, rest .
Been thinking of changing to zapdos. But idk
Steelix- explosion, rock slide, earth quake, roar
Snorlax- lk, double edge, rest, curse
Exeggutor- stun spore, substitute, leech seed, explode
Jorgen told me this was a shitty move set and not having a stab attack would hurt me eventually, but this works for what i need it to do. It forces switches and makes the oppenent play predictable in some situations which gives me the advantage.
Cloyster- toxic, explosion, surf, spikes.
Charizard- earth quake, fireblast, rock slide, bd
This is the team i've been running charizard on with good success. I win alot, and the matches i've lost were only because i got outplayed and not because of some team weakness. I haven't ran into any major weaknesses, not sayin that there arent any but i havent ran into them. And the weaknesses i have seen can be played around without too much trouble. Any major problems with this team? Im always looking for criticism to improve.