American culture is significantly different to European culture, West European culture specifically. Because America comes from a history of fighting tyrannic governments, preventing and fighting for freedoms has been ingrained into the American psyche.
yeah because people personally relate to their great great great great great great great great etc grandfather fighting those stinking redcoats and that bloodthirsty drive and paranoia has passed down throughout generations like some bad inbred gene. I guess when your worldview is just america then you sometimes forget that european and other non-american countries have also had histories fighting tyrannical governments, such as
Sweden vs Norway,
the war that formed Bulgaria,
The Irish War of Independence,
The Belgian Revolution,
The war that liberated the Dutch,The Three Italian WarsFor Independence,
the war which granted Portugal independence from Spain, or
Canada's role in World War One gaining it its independence from Britain.
but yeah america is the only country whos ever fought for their independence and freedom. What exactly makes america different again?
The number of accidental firearm deaths has been on the decline in recent decades, and they now account for less than 1% of all unintentional deaths.
the point of this sentence was to detail the changing rhetoric whenever anyone ever wants to talk about and address gun violence. its always
something and never "the right time" to talk about gun violence.
Guns are legal in the US, weed is not. Someone committing crimes is probably less responsible than someone who doesn't.
hahahaha ok bud, tell that to the 18yos who can legally buy a gun and are deemed "responsible" enough to wield it but are also at the same time not responsible enough to drink. this completely ignores that the drug war has been a 40 year long propaganda effort to criminalize hippies blacks and democrats. I guess you're the type of dude to drive at exactly the speed limit, never jaywalk, never drunk beer before 21, and never violated a whole slew of other various random laws. If you think somehow smoking weed makes you "irresponsible" simply because the federal law is that it is illegal despite around 30 states legalizing it then i really dont know what to tell you
I don't know where these meme strawmans are coming from but they're pretty misleading. What I've heard from people I know is overwhelmingly the "a little bit of safety is not worth losing our fundamental freedoms." Also the Obama legislation you're referring to wasn't in effect when Trump got rid of it, so saying Republicans "made it easier for people with mental illnesses to buy guns" is misleading. The ACLU also presents a solid point on the concept of a law that would prevent (anyone) with mental health problems from practicing the Second Amendment:
"At the same time, regulation of firearms and individual gun ownership or use must be consistent with civil liberties principles, such as due process, equal protection, freedom from unlawful searches, and privacy. All individuals have the right to be judged on the basis of their individual capabilities, not the characteristics and capabilities that are sometimes attributed (often mistakenly)to any group or class to which they belong. A disability should not constitute grounds for the automatic per se denial of any right or privilege, including gun ownership."
so because the legislation hadn't gone into effect (until its intended date of december 2017) means that its absolutely ok for trump to just get rid of it? They certainly made it easier because if they didn't repeal it with the CRA then NEWS FLASH the law would be active today. whoooooaoaaaa mind blown are you just now grasping the concept of time my dude? And really? you want to side with the ACLU's rhetoric about judging based on the individual capabilites? With that logic you can't convict any potential terrorist because theyre just metnally disturbed people who haven't
technically commited any crimes because you judge each and every person uniquely!
Also misleading. The article you linked also mentions that the funding cuts are minimal compared to the massive injection into the Department of Veterans Affairs, may I ask would you say that Veterans are less at risk for mental health issues? The budget also:
"requests new investments to ensure more adults with serious mental illness receive Assertive Community Treatment, an evidence-based practice that provides a comprehensive array of services to reduce costly hospitalizations. The Budget also increases funding to improve mental health services for seriously mental ill individuals who are involved with the criminal justice system. The Budget maintains funding for the Community Mental Health Services Block Grant, which requires States to support services for first episode psychosis,which is vitally important to ensuring that individuals with serious mental illness receive appropriate treatment in a timely manner."
sure a boost for military vets but fuck everyone else if you aren't a veteran you get to cope with your mental health issues!!!
Elaborate on who is saying this please. What I understand is that there's a push for one or two teachers in schools who are trained and have received extensive background checks to be able to conceal carry firearms, or have an armed security officer. The latter of which is not that unrealistic of a proposal as 43% of public schools already use security officers.
Who is saying this? For real?[/URL]
NC state rep |
Betsy Devos |
Fox news is also pushing that story. Yeah and despite the Parkland shooting also having a security guard that failed to do anything, and its not the first time that security has failed to address any potential shootings. the whole concept of "good guy with gun" is so
fucking flawed its ridiculous and I would ask you not to bring up such a stupid propaganda piece
A violence problem? A gun problem? Elaborate.
fuck you're thick
To say that "cops already shoot innocents in the street every single day" is a pretty hefty exaggeration. If you want to look at the numbers, only 68 unarmed people were shot by police in 2017. That's still tragic and we should ALWAYS prosecute officers who discharge their firearm in an unlawful or irresponsible manner, but trying to mislead people on the severity of the problem only boosts the credibility of said guilty officers.
uh nice doublespeak implying teh opposite of unarmed means they had a gun, but out of almost 1000 fatalities in 2017,[/URL]
only about half had a gun and the rest had everything from unarmed to a toy weapon to a simple knife but hey i guess when you're a hammer everything else looks like a nail and the first step in any encounter is to shoot first ask questions later.
That's pretty terrible to know but my understanding is that teachers (or trained security guards) wouldn't use their firearm unless there was another one present, not if a preschooler bites them as you are suggesting.
yeah because the teacher firing back with all of their students in the same room is 100% safe because the good guy with the gun always wins. oh you're only just now realizing that you can't just challenge the school shooter to a duel western style in the hallway while all the kids watch from the windows, winner take all? In case you were too stupid to actually understand the point I was making with this sentence, the inherent minority bias in teachers and security officers (cops) only makes armed security and teachers at schools "safer" for the white majority, and even then not really because all it takes is one sketchy look at a police officer and you're fucked, i wasn't making the point that a preschooler is going to bite a teacher and in retaliation the teacher executes the child.
It's actually not simple at all. Gun control can be wildly effective or not effective at all. Chicago banned handguns and in the decade that followed, murders jumped by 41 percent. In 2013, Baltimore banned "assault weapons", high-capacity magazines, and enacted a fingerprint requirement for anyone trying to purchase a handgun. The murder rate skyrocketed. Turns that criminals don't follow laws. Who knew?
you mean city wide gun control doesn't work because people can lol just go to literally the next state over, often a 2 hour drive at best and legally purchase a firearm, and federal wide legislation would be consistent enough to work[/URL]
as evidenced by countries UK, Japan, Germany, and Australia . keep living in this fear bubble where you think that the world is just full of bad guys waiting to fuck you up the minute you let your guard down.
The NRA is not mentioned once in this article.
fuck me if you can't read past the period and extrapolate every single sentence into its own entity and fail to realize that the depth and reason I mentioned the NRA profitting from mass shootings was literally
the next fucking sentence.
Ah yes nothing says sensible like "we should degrade our most important freedoms even though the process we want to use isn't guaranteed to work and it gives the government more power and potential to become tyrannical".
ironic that ur worried about the government becoming tyrannical knowing your political views and aspirations in life. as if you owning an ar 15 suddenly makes you john wick and you have the ability to stand up to the government if it just decided "hey we're tyrannical now." you're deluded, get out of your ego for two seconds and realize that you are not, nor will any other gun toting hick be able to stand up to a militarized coordinated effort by the government.
I'll help you out here. 60% of gun deaths in the United States are suicides. You're thinking of gun homicides.
whew lad u sure got me!! my argument that the US is one of the leading death per capita nations in the world,[/URL]
with a nation 10x more likely than other developed countries to die from guns and a gun murder rate 25 times higher than other countries is now irrelevant because 60% of gun deaths in the US are suicides PHEW thank you for saving me from this embarassment. As if it really matters if a gun related death is suicide or murder when talking about gun control
Your expertly written analysis on the NRA's position on gun control clearly shows you are well-educated on this topic.
cherry pick an emotionally charged post more why don't you. not being "well educated" on a topic doesn't stop you from posting in every single thread does it?
You mean like prohibiting automatic weapons made after 1986 from being registered, and putting extremely hefty restrictions on owners of all automatic weapons?
oh you mean the same act that the only reason it got passed was because the machine gun ban was a last minute amendment in a bill that[/URL]
also repealed a lot of the work done by the Gun Control Act of 1968? The same act that the NRA has opposed almost entirely since its inception, that the head of the NRA lobby even remarked that the NRA could "never forgive him for [supporting] it."
"He said, 'I want to do it. I think we have to do it.' So I said yes, and that was the end of the story. It passed, and as we learned immediately, an element of NRA, a very vociferous element of NRA ... determined that it just couldn't be that way," Cassidy says. "We couldn't give an inch. I don't think they ever forgave me for it."
"The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
funny because i specifically remember[/URL]
the NRA outright opposing a law that restricted an item that was designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles but tbh i'm not delusional so i guess thats my excuse for not living in yuor reality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighty_Years'_War
I need specifics on the other two things. What "limitations of sales and background checks" that are opposed by the NRA are you referring to?[/URL]
See below, but in essence universal background checks and barring of private off the record sales are what i was specifically referring to. oh what about[/URL]
blocking terrorists from legally acquiring guns through a loophole? nah you'll find some way to twist that to support the NRA on the decision I bet. The fact is the NRA opposes most if not all (I have yet to find a single bill that the NRA has supported in the 20th century) gun control laws. just because the NRA supported gun control that one time the black panthers used their legally bought weapons to protest and got guns taken away for everyone in california doesnt mean that the NRA supports gun control. would love for you to pull out a law that had the NRA's backing 100%.
And this is invalid reasoning to buy more guns why?
if you can't realize thats its manipulation tactics that prey on the fearful and the entire agenda to promote gun sales is to play on that fearfulness then honestly i think you might just be a propaganda bot at this point
You could at least put effort into your strawmans. Also as stated previously, the NRA has supported certain gun control legislations, you just refuse to accept them for some reason.
the nra also opposes plenty of common sense bills as well, such as the most recent bump stock banning following las vegas because lol "muh 2nd amendment rights" or opposing
universal background checks under the reasoning that "criminals wont submit so its a bad law" as if thats any justification for opposing any law ever. lol whats the point of even having murder laws....criminals wont submit ya feel?
May I request your opinion on what specific legislation should be passed?
Not sure if you just don't even read the content of the posts or you just cherry pick each sentence to get soundbites out of them, but I posted what I thought in literally the post before yours. Regardless, sometimes people are too deep with their heads in the sand so maybe if I type in all caps it can get thru your thick skull WE SHOULD PASS STRICTER GUN SAFETY LAWS, SPECIFICALLY LAWS THAT PROHIBIT SUCH FREE ACCESS TO GUNS THAT YOU CAN LEGALLY BUY FROM A PRIVATE VENDOR AT ANY AGE, MAYBE INSTITUTING A FEDERAL AGE LIMIT FOR EVERY SINGLE GUN SALE, LICENSED OR UNLICENSED VENDOR CAN BE A GOOD START BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO FEDERAL MINIMUM FOR THE SELLING OF "LONG GUNS" AKA RIFLES.
Advocating for more power in the hands of citizens is not exactly "propaganda" in the way we think of the word.
you very clearly did not watch either video if you do not believe that both are blatant propaganda, when the NRA, an organization about
gun safety is politicizing this whole "fake news' debacle and pushing the "the only way you can be safe in life is to have this trusty AR-15, America's Favorite Rifle!"
I'm sure no one cares but if we're going by your rules than you probably shouldn't call people "gun-toting hicks".
what are you talking about "my rules"
Fun fact, Australia is an island and is not
a) already filled with guns, many of which owned by criminals
b) large
c) bordered by a country with a significant organized crime system that would profit generously from a gun black market
a) Australia was also "filled with guns" as you eloquently put it, with around one million guns being sold back to the Australian government, about a third of the entire gun population in the country. "Many of which are owned by criminals" care for a source for that blanket statement about the black market for guns? From my reckoning an overwhelmingly
half of the guns in this country are owned by 3% of americans but I guess you'll imply that those are only the legal guns and the other 50% is all owned by criminals.
b) as if instituting waiting periods for getting guns, thorough background checks on anyone buying a gun, and a required stated reason for purchase, for which self defense is not a valid purpose for buying a semi-auto or automatic weapon in Australia is somehow dictated by the size of the country. Yeah the US government can't really just say "ok guns are illegal now hand them over" but that doesn't meant that common sense safety laws can't be enacted. "lol the US is too big"
c) ah the "mexico is full of criminals" argument again, as if the black market can only operate when borders are shared
Unless it's being done by a tyrannical government?
are you trying to misconstrue my argument and implying that I like and enjoy tyrannical government because i think guns are a bad thing for this country?