tennisace
not quite too old for this, apparently
Hi there.
As I alluded to in some recent posts, I believe a change is in order to the process. However, as usual, it's not going to be anything too major (I'm not making myself dictator yet). So, if you want to make suggestions, feel free to, but be aware that there won't be anything huge being changed, and new parts to the process won't be added.
For reference, this is the process:
Flavor Stages:
Competitive Stages:
I have three changes to suggest.
Merge the primary and secondary typing discussions and polls.
This is something that has seemed counter-intuitive for a while now: why are these separate when the typing of a Pokemon is a combined thing? For example, on its own, Steel is a great defensive typing. It can either be combined with something like Fire or Ice for more offensive power, or with Grass or Bug for more defensive usefulness. This will not exclude single-typed CAP Pokemon, in fact, I think rebranding this as the "Typing Discussion/Poll" will encourage more people to suggest pure types, since there will no longer be any separate discussion of a secondary type. All in all, I think this is a fair change that will allow us to explore a bit more.
Merge the Attacking and Non-Attacking discussions and polls.
This is running off the idea that movepools are a conglomeration of both attacking and non attacking moves. The discussion should incorporate both sides of the movepool, since some people might want say "Hurricane but not Nasty Plot" or "Tail Glow but not Bug Buzz". As it is currently set up, you have to first vote on whether or not Hurricane/Bug Buzz are in the movepool, then whether or not you want Nasty Plot or Tail Glow. By that point, one or both of the attacking moves may be eliminated. This means that your opinion as a voter has not been fully expressed, since with a combined poll, you could vote yes on Hurricane but no on Nasty Plot. As it is currently set up, you do not get that choice sometimes.
Move all of the flavor portions of the CAP until after the last competitive poll.
This suggestion has been debated, discussed, and dissected forever. The fact remains that this is a competitive project. It always has been. It always will be. I love seeing the art as much as the next guy, however, I hate having to infract people for posting in the movepool threads "THIS POKEMON ISNT HORNY ENOUGH FOR MEGAHORN" and the like. If we are a competitive project, we should attempt to keep the process as competitive as possible and limit the amount of bias voters have towards competitive parts of the Pokemon. One potential compromise I would be willing to discuss is opening the art submissions a bit later in the process, but still keeping the art polls, names, and sprites after the process. However this may encourage voting on movepool for your favorite art piece which is still undesirable.
In conclusion, I believe these changes will streamline and better the process while making it easier to moderate and easier to follow.
Edit: was reminded of this point:
Counters Discussion should be merged with Concept Assessment
I would like to actually merge it with the concept assessment, i.e. come up with a few things that should be able to stop it, and come up with a few things it should be able to stop. That also gives concept assessment an actual "output".
As I alluded to in some recent posts, I believe a change is in order to the process. However, as usual, it's not going to be anything too major (I'm not making myself dictator yet). So, if you want to make suggestions, feel free to, but be aware that there won't be anything huge being changed, and new parts to the process won't be added.
For reference, this is the process:
- Topic Leader Nominations/Poll
- Concept Submissions
- Concept Poll
- Concept Assessment
- Main Type Discussion
- Main Type Poll
- Secondary Type Discussion
- Secondary Type Poll
- Stat Limits
- Stat Spread Submissions
- Ability Discussion
- Ability Poll
- Secondary Ability Discussion
- Secondary Ability Poll
- Stat Spread Poll
Flavor Stages:
- Art Submissions
- Art Poll
- Name Submissions
- Name Poll
- Sprite Submissions
- Sprite Poll
- Misc Flavor Discussion
- Misc Flavor Polls
Competitive Stages:
- Attacking Moves Discussion
- Attacking Moves Poll
- Non-Attacking Moves Discussion
- Non-Attacking Moves Poll
- Complete Movepool Submissions
- Complete Movepool Poll
I have three changes to suggest.
Merge the primary and secondary typing discussions and polls.
This is something that has seemed counter-intuitive for a while now: why are these separate when the typing of a Pokemon is a combined thing? For example, on its own, Steel is a great defensive typing. It can either be combined with something like Fire or Ice for more offensive power, or with Grass or Bug for more defensive usefulness. This will not exclude single-typed CAP Pokemon, in fact, I think rebranding this as the "Typing Discussion/Poll" will encourage more people to suggest pure types, since there will no longer be any separate discussion of a secondary type. All in all, I think this is a fair change that will allow us to explore a bit more.
Merge the Attacking and Non-Attacking discussions and polls.
This is running off the idea that movepools are a conglomeration of both attacking and non attacking moves. The discussion should incorporate both sides of the movepool, since some people might want say "Hurricane but not Nasty Plot" or "Tail Glow but not Bug Buzz". As it is currently set up, you have to first vote on whether or not Hurricane/Bug Buzz are in the movepool, then whether or not you want Nasty Plot or Tail Glow. By that point, one or both of the attacking moves may be eliminated. This means that your opinion as a voter has not been fully expressed, since with a combined poll, you could vote yes on Hurricane but no on Nasty Plot. As it is currently set up, you do not get that choice sometimes.
Move all of the flavor portions of the CAP until after the last competitive poll.
This suggestion has been debated, discussed, and dissected forever. The fact remains that this is a competitive project. It always has been. It always will be. I love seeing the art as much as the next guy, however, I hate having to infract people for posting in the movepool threads "THIS POKEMON ISNT HORNY ENOUGH FOR MEGAHORN" and the like. If we are a competitive project, we should attempt to keep the process as competitive as possible and limit the amount of bias voters have towards competitive parts of the Pokemon. One potential compromise I would be willing to discuss is opening the art submissions a bit later in the process, but still keeping the art polls, names, and sprites after the process. However this may encourage voting on movepool for your favorite art piece which is still undesirable.
In conclusion, I believe these changes will streamline and better the process while making it easier to moderate and easier to follow.
Edit: was reminded of this point:
Counters Discussion should be merged with Concept Assessment
I would like to actually merge it with the concept assessment, i.e. come up with a few things that should be able to stop it, and come up with a few things it should be able to stop. That also gives concept assessment an actual "output".