I was going to respond to the OP with what you see below but it's now closed. I don't understand why someone would do this immediately after such a rash decision with inconsistencies between the OP and entire "discussion" as a whole. The following issues outlined below need to be addressed by the tier leader in question and we should be able to continue a dialogue.
My response to the final post in the thread:
Okay, let me approach this from a more objective standpoint. For starters, I want to address some issues I have with this entire thread in general.
Here are my takeaways from your OP:
- Fullceus should be the standard and should be legal.
- We shouldn't ban because "people don't want it" and it deserves legitimate discussion.
- Glitch stuff (I personally do not care about this at all).
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Now for the replies:
The only objectively, 100% pro-ban responses were from the following individuals:
Mr. 378
Cynara
The 3 people you received PMs from
Null responses:
shrang
Theorymon
SoulWind
Remain as-is:
pretty much everyone else.
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The BIGGER issue here:
It should be on YOU and pro-unban folks to explain why unbanning Arceus should be the standard. This is the approach to every single tier change in existence. It should not be on the majority and currently established rules to warrant reasons for keeping something as is. Arceus has never received an official test, correct. We have, however, played with Farceus in the past. There have been tournaments and unofficial ladders with Farceus legal. We are not speculating on its impact on the metagame. We are telling you from experience that this does not warrant a test because it is overcentralizing.
You said, in your OP, that a call has to be made, and that this is still something discussed in the Ubers community. You also stated that if you want your voice to be heard, now is the time. So please, explain to me, how given the responses here, you have come to this decision, which is seemingly unbiased and as objective as possible. Additionally, please explain why this change is immediate and is not at the very least going once again to an unofficial ladder where less experienced players can test this
My response to the final post in the thread:
Okay, let me approach this from a more objective standpoint. For starters, I want to address some issues I have with this entire thread in general.
Here are my takeaways from your OP:
- Fullceus should be the standard and should be legal.
- We shouldn't ban because "people don't want it" and it deserves legitimate discussion.
- Glitch stuff (I personally do not care about this at all).
-----
Now for the replies:
The only objectively, 100% pro-ban responses were from the following individuals:
Mr. 378
Cynara
The 3 people you received PMs from
Null responses:
shrang
Theorymon
SoulWind
Remain as-is:
pretty much everyone else.
-----
The BIGGER issue here:
It should be on YOU and pro-unban folks to explain why unbanning Arceus should be the standard. This is the approach to every single tier change in existence. It should not be on the majority and currently established rules to warrant reasons for keeping something as is. Arceus has never received an official test, correct. We have, however, played with Farceus in the past. There have been tournaments and unofficial ladders with Farceus legal. We are not speculating on its impact on the metagame. We are telling you from experience that this does not warrant a test because it is overcentralizing.
You said, in your OP, that a call has to be made, and that this is still something discussed in the Ubers community. You also stated that if you want your voice to be heard, now is the time. So please, explain to me, how given the responses here, you have come to this decision, which is seemingly unbiased and as objective as possible. Additionally, please explain why this change is immediate and is not at the very least going once again to an unofficial ladder where less experienced players can test this