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NOC Vote n' Veto NOC Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over - Town Win!]
- Thread starter a fairy
- Start date
Votecount 3.1: Apparently Today is a Legal Holiday for the USA
Votes (+)
Blazade (4): Psypsypsypsypsythe, Ehmcee, HydrogenHydregion
pulsar512b (2): Blazade
Psypsypsypsypsythe (1): pulsar512b
Vetoes (-)
Ehmcee (1): Ehmcee
Psypsypsypsypsythe (.5): Psypsypsypsypsythe
Blazade (.5): Blazade
pulsar512b (.5): pulsar512b
HydrogenHydregion (.5): HydrogenHydregion
Totals
Blazade: 3.5
pulsar512b: 1.5
Psypsypsypsypsythe: .5
Votes (+)
Blazade (4): Psypsypsypsypsythe, Ehmcee, HydrogenHydregion
pulsar512b (2): Blazade
Psypsypsypsypsythe (1): pulsar512b
Vetoes (-)
Ehmcee (1): Ehmcee
Psypsypsypsypsythe (.5): Psypsypsypsypsythe
Blazade (.5): Blazade
pulsar512b (.5): pulsar512b
HydrogenHydregion (.5): HydrogenHydregion
Totals
Blazade: 3.5
pulsar512b: 1.5
Psypsypsypsypsythe: .5
Deadline: https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/wfh2?iso=20230905T18&p0=263&font=cursive
forgot that
forgot that
Ok, I'm somehow not surprised to come back and see minimal activity since I've been gone. You know when you wake up in the morning and realize you should ask out this girl you know but you fret over it for like 3 hours before sending the text and it's been a half hour and still no response so you know you're just waiting an indefinite amount of time? Yeah, that's me right now. I also wanted to take advantage of the day off to get some DnD prepwork done so beyond this I'm happy to respond to people but if people aren't really gonna change their minds and treat it as de facto hammer I'm gonna respect my own time here.
On !order and why it should technically be pulsar first: without skip in the game there's no chance of super funny business at LYLO, and the nightkill matters a decent amount for tinfoil theories. But tbh I understand the desire to rush and get the scary vote out of the way because, given that there isn't any funny business it's difficult to get info off the nightkill since it's likely Hydro here and if it isn't that's a WIFOM play by scum, and anyone would want to cut 3 days of dead air if they could.
On tinfoiling about pulsar not being scum:
If it's Psy/Hydro I think I'm just willing to accept the L on that one, they've both been far from where my head is at and don't have interactions that make sense and they would have survived off of one of the most comical town performances I've ever seen.
Thinking back I actually should probably revise my list from earlier, Psy/Emcee is maybe more likely than Hydro/Emcee. Psy has suspected but never been willing to vote out Emcee, they've been split on wagons frequently, and are clearly good enough to coordinate. If this is it, they've been lucky that Celever and I have largely been wrong and aggressive about being wrong except in the case of Emcee which never gained traction. Hydro/Emcee is an interesting pair that again would have largely been coasting for the lack of substantive pressure those slots have received, but has less signs of active coordination. It's a hard shot to call, and one I would consider seriously if and only if Emcee was voted today and Hydro made it to LYLO.
In the imo likelier case that pulsar is scum:
"Neighbor chat is scum chat" Hydro/pulsar- Seems hard to fabricate stories about who is going to die tonight and be wrong about that and have that come across as believably as it does in the thread. The impression I'm getting is that neither of these players are good enough actors to pull that off. This is another revision of my earlier list that benefits from a night of sleep and a fresh perspective.
Emcee/pulsar-This is the straightforward reading of the thread from my perspective. Emcee was generally exhibiting a lot of scumtells in how his limited activity was being used, has consistently parked his vote on confirmed townslots, and defended pulsar to the point where voting skip wouldn't have been possibile without him. What's more, I think he's about the only person who could have orchestrated this push on me indirectly by coaching pulsar to inexplicably treat me as her buddy. It's a self centered read, but it's what I have to work with.
Psy/pulsar- This is a slight tinfoil based on a slight bit of evidence. Psy failed to veto skip, just as I failed to veto pulsar. If he really wanted her dead there she would be. He was first on her after catching her looking at the thread, and that would be a HELL of a ballsy move to orchestrate intentionally into what's probably a game winning bus. Especially if today we're pivoting into order concerns and blaming anyone who went off her wagon for where we are today. I haven't seen a psy scumgame but I do think this would be in his range, even if it's fucking insane. This would be the main advantage to a pulsar vote imo.
Vote Emcee if we're going to play it like this, then I think this is the best shot when taking overlap and expectation into account. I'll move back onto pulsar if others change, too.
On !order and why it should technically be pulsar first: without skip in the game there's no chance of super funny business at LYLO, and the nightkill matters a decent amount for tinfoil theories. But tbh I understand the desire to rush and get the scary vote out of the way because, given that there isn't any funny business it's difficult to get info off the nightkill since it's likely Hydro here and if it isn't that's a WIFOM play by scum, and anyone would want to cut 3 days of dead air if they could.
On tinfoiling about pulsar not being scum:
If it's Psy/Hydro I think I'm just willing to accept the L on that one, they've both been far from where my head is at and don't have interactions that make sense and they would have survived off of one of the most comical town performances I've ever seen.
Thinking back I actually should probably revise my list from earlier, Psy/Emcee is maybe more likely than Hydro/Emcee. Psy has suspected but never been willing to vote out Emcee, they've been split on wagons frequently, and are clearly good enough to coordinate. If this is it, they've been lucky that Celever and I have largely been wrong and aggressive about being wrong except in the case of Emcee which never gained traction. Hydro/Emcee is an interesting pair that again would have largely been coasting for the lack of substantive pressure those slots have received, but has less signs of active coordination. It's a hard shot to call, and one I would consider seriously if and only if Emcee was voted today and Hydro made it to LYLO.
In the imo likelier case that pulsar is scum:
"Neighbor chat is scum chat" Hydro/pulsar- Seems hard to fabricate stories about who is going to die tonight and be wrong about that and have that come across as believably as it does in the thread. The impression I'm getting is that neither of these players are good enough actors to pull that off. This is another revision of my earlier list that benefits from a night of sleep and a fresh perspective.
Emcee/pulsar-This is the straightforward reading of the thread from my perspective. Emcee was generally exhibiting a lot of scumtells in how his limited activity was being used, has consistently parked his vote on confirmed townslots, and defended pulsar to the point where voting skip wouldn't have been possibile without him. What's more, I think he's about the only person who could have orchestrated this push on me indirectly by coaching pulsar to inexplicably treat me as her buddy. It's a self centered read, but it's what I have to work with.
Psy/pulsar- This is a slight tinfoil based on a slight bit of evidence. Psy failed to veto skip, just as I failed to veto pulsar. If he really wanted her dead there she would be. He was first on her after catching her looking at the thread, and that would be a HELL of a ballsy move to orchestrate intentionally into what's probably a game winning bus. Especially if today we're pivoting into order concerns and blaming anyone who went off her wagon for where we are today. I haven't seen a psy scumgame but I do think this would be in his range, even if it's fucking insane. This would be the main advantage to a pulsar vote imo.
Vote Emcee if we're going to play it like this, then I think this is the best shot when taking overlap and expectation into account. I'll move back onto pulsar if others change, too.
would this be a partnered interaction
not a great readlist given mc ends up on zippy by eod, has pulsar in the easy null section, and was super wrong about aura
sigh another readlist idk
okay yeah pulsars first reads post is her tring mc which in my mind confirms that her justification for tring him she gave today is something she pulled out of a hat and its either like a really open buddying play, pocketing, or simply just tmi. blazade not being in this post is worth nothing
worth noting*
the first mistake was considering me a competant player
not my favorite mc post
alert! alert! a blazade/pulsar interaction! im ngl it definitely feels stilted to me
and pulsars response where she fleshes out her mc read
i dont really like this progression
After the opening votes on her for what I felt was nothing of consequence, she didn't post at all in the thread for most of the day and I had thought she was scared off. To actually get answers to my questions about the possible contradictions/developments in her readslist I took a less confrontational tone here.
If I had wanted to coach her on how to develop those earlier reads to make a post of her own volition as scum, I would have done it in scum chat.
not great
oh well okay idk. does blazade put pulsar 1 vote from overtaking zippy as her maf partner here
I think the zippy progression was kind of ass, initially definitely thought the way they were blazingly being annoying / talking shit was very in line with their town game (which it was), and I hadn't seen them have a scum game at all before. Celever somewhat convinced me away, saying they'd prob just do the same thing as scum, which I kind of ended up caving into.
Generally think i prob shouldve sticked to my gut (which ended up wrong ig)
Generally think i prob shouldve sticked to my gut (which ended up wrong ig)
eod1 wagons totals. mc your eod is weird talk to me about it. blazade your eod is weird in a more subtle way
btw celever next time please just shut up honestly
I've explained my thought process in this EoD in various D2 posts, what do you want me to answer for?
why is this post so in tune with the current dilemma