Counters DiscussionThe Counters Discussion occurs before the Movepool Discussions and is a continuation of the Threat Discussion. The difference between the two is that the Counters Discussion is more concrete, given that the Stat Spread, Typing, and Abilities of the Pokemon have been decided already, narrowing (or maybe widening) the list of potential checks and counters. This stage of the process is not mandatory and may be skipped over if deemed unnecessary. However, if either the Topic Leader or CAP moderators believe that it should happen, then it will take place. If the project appears to have gotten off track since the Treats Discussion, then this stage may be needed to discuss and/or change previously made assessments. The following guide questions will be posted in the OP of the Counter Discussion thread:
The end goal of the Counters discussion will be the basis for limiting Attacking Moves and non-Attacking Moves. A few Pokemon will be selected as Pokemon that should Hard Counter the CAP based on fulfilling three of six criteria:
Attacking Moves that would turn Pokemon on the CAP's list of Hard Counters into Checks under ordinary circumstances will not be allowed. Non-Attacking Moves such as stat boosters or Taunt that would turn Pokemon on the CAP's list of Hard Counters into Checks will not be allowed. Note: If it would take both an attacking and a non-attacking move to alter a Hard Counter, whichever discussion comes first will limit the second discussion. For example, if Dragon Dance + Close Combat would turn a Pokemon from a Hard Counter into a Check, where neither Dragon Dance nor Close Combat alone would do so (e.g. Only +1 LO CC OHKOs, but the counter is ordinarily faster and can OHKO the CAP after taking a +0 LO Hit from Close Combat) then if Dragon Dance is selected first, Close Combat cannot be selected. If Close Combat is selected first, then Dragon Dance cannot be selected. |